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Post by BillLaimbeer on Dec 28, 2017 19:08:09 GMT -8
Cooter was terrible this season. Way too predictable. Way too conservative. Stuck with the run game way too often when it clearly wasn't working. yeah, he was able to get Staff's INTs down. Didn't call enough roll-outs for Staff. Still I think Caldwell takes responsibility for play-calling scheme. Agreed. Caldwell should be canned. I like his demeanor and his class, but I don't like his approach. He plays "not to lose" instead of trying to win. |
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Post by thee on Jan 2, 2018 10:20:58 GMT -8
Caldwell gone.
Haven't heard who's next. [not the album, which I have heard]
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Post by tas on Jan 2, 2018 19:47:09 GMT -8
I thought I remember hearing something like... no Lions coach has gone on to coach another NFL team again. Or maybe it was just over x years or something. Definitely a coaching death sentence.
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Post by BillLaimbeer on Jan 3, 2018 16:23:07 GMT -8
I thought I remember hearing something like... no Lions coach has gone on to coach another NFL team again. Or maybe it was just over x years or something. Definitely a coaching death sentence. Jim Schwartz might break that streak. |
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Post by BillLaimbeer on Jan 3, 2018 16:26:18 GMT -8
Junior broke down how the Lions ranked in all of the meaningful offensive and defensive categories. A few surprises here and there, plus confirmation of some things we have witnessed over the course of the season. Good stuff here: Lions 2017 Stats - Summary.pdf (77.9 KB) |
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Post by Darth on Jan 3, 2018 18:52:45 GMT -8
I thought I remember hearing something like... no Lions coach has gone on to coach another NFL team again. Or maybe it was just over x years or something. Definitely a coaching death sentence. Jim Schwartz might break that streak. I’m thinking Darryl Rogers may break it. Don’t count him out. Think about it. The best coach the Lions had in the last half century was arguably Wayne Fontes. He won a playoff game and had a 12 win season. How sad is that? That’s an interesting stat, though. Offhand, I cannot think of one. Hell, are there even any Lions assistant coaches to get head coaching jobs? There was a Lions player from the late 60’s -early 70’s named Dick Lebeau who did fairly well as a head coach, IIRC. |
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Post by BillLaimbeer on Jan 3, 2018 19:39:28 GMT -8
Jim Schwartz might break that streak. I’m thinking Darryl Rogers may break it. Don’t count him out. Think about it. The best coach the Lions had in the last half century was arguably Wayne Fontes. He won a playoff game and had a 12 win season. How sad is that? That’s an interesting stat, though. Offhand, I cannot think of one. Hell, are there even any Lions assistant coaches to get head coaching jobs? There was a Lions player from the late 60’s -early 70’s named Dick Lebeau who did fairly well as a head coach, IIRC. Don Shula started out as a defensive backfield coach for the Lions. |
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Post by thee on Jan 4, 2018 9:53:58 GMT -8
Junior broke down how the Lions ranked in all of the meaningful offensive and defensive categories. A few surprises here and there, plus confirmation of some things we have witnessed over the course of the season. Good stuff here: 10th in total passes - I would've thought top 5 I had Detroit's Dee all yr and the first 8 games they were top 1-3, especially scoring and T/Os after losing Ngata they spiraled downward pretty fast. * Besides get a new coach, what can to say about a team that can't score from the 2 yd line with 8+ chances ? |
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Post by thee on Jan 4, 2018 9:58:37 GMT -8
Jim Schwartz might break that streak. I’m thinking Darryl Rogers may break it. Don’t count him out. Think about it. The best coach the Lions had in the last half century was arguably Wayne Fontes. He won a playoff game and had a 12 win season. How sad is that? That’s an interesting stat, though. Offhand, I cannot think of one. Hell, are there even any Lions assistant coaches to get head coaching jobs? There was a Lions player from the late 60’s -early 70’s named Dick Lebeau who did fairly well as a head coach, IIRC. I bet Caldwell gets a HC job fairly quick. |
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Post by Darth on Jan 4, 2018 14:31:33 GMT -8
Maybe the Browns who would be thrilled with mediocrity. Once there...
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Post by tas on Jan 4, 2018 21:09:23 GMT -8
Here are the Lions coaches going back in time and the NFL teams that they coached after the Lions: One exception here is that Dick Jauron was the "interim" head coach after Mariucci was fired. He then went on to coach at Buffalo, where he posted 3 straight 7-9 records before getting the axe (now that is mediocrity that we could have used!). I'm not counting interim titles here as qualifying to break the curse. - Caldwell: tbd - Schwartz: none (has worked as a defensive coordinator for Buffalo and Philly) - Marinelli: none (has been defensive line coach and assistant head coach/ defensive line coach for Chicago and Dallas) - Mariucci: none (went into broadcasting and has been trying to land a college job) - Mornhinweg: none (won the coin toss in OT and chose the wind, then he was gone with the wind. Has worked for Philly and Baltimore- play calling and QB coach) - Moeller: none (he took over for Ross after Ross quit 9 games into the season. They actually gave him a 2.5 year contract. But Millen came in and fired him. He went on to work a bit with Jacksonville and Chicago in various capacities) - Ross: none (went on to coach the Army Black Knights to a 9-25 record in his tenure after stepping into a down program). - Fontes: none (sued the organization for BS workers comp trip and fall accident involving sideline cables. Retired to Florida.) - Rogers: none (has a famous quote "What does a coach have to do around here to get fired?". Turns out that whatever it was, he did it.) - Clark: none (went on to be director of player personnel for MIA and then came back to consult with DET for a while). - Hudspeth: none (became GM of the Toronto Argonauts, then worked for Tulsa in development and fundraising... ie money laundering). - Forzano: none (focused on his company as a manufacturer's sales rep and become a commentator for big ten games). - McCafferty: none (was hired mid-way through a season. He finished it with a losing record and then died of a heart attack over the summer while mowing his lawn.) - Schmidt: none (he formerly won 2 Championships as a DET Lion player and was the captain on the 1957 team. He resigned as the coach after WCF announced that he was dissatisfied with the coaching (ha!). Schmidt said as he resigned "I really don't enjoy coaching anymore. It got to be a burden more than a fun-loving game.") - Gilmer: none (but he lived to be 90 years old and only died in the summer of 2016). - George Wilson: MIAMI DOLPHINS!!! (Wilson coached the Lions to their Championship in 1957 and got Coach of the year. Then, in 1964, Lions' management replaced 5 of his asst coaches. He was pissed and resigned. He went on to coach the expansion MIA Dolphins before they replaced him with Don Shula... who he hired as an assistant coach in DET.) So, there you have it. No Detroit Lions head coach since George Wilson has gone on to coach another NFL team. And even he was back stabbed by getting replaced by a guy that he discovered.  Technically, the best coach in the history of the Lions. He was 2-0 in playoff games. The cursed streak now stands at 16 consecutive one and done coaches with 1 playoff win in about 6 decades of futility. I feel like in the same way that cigarette companies are required to show pictures of oral cancer on their packs, the Lions should have to disclose this list to any coaching candidates going forward. It would be safer to put "arrested for DUI" as the first bullet point of your resume than "Head Coach of the Detroit Lions" if you are trying to land another head coaching gig. |
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Post by tas on Jan 4, 2018 21:45:36 GMT -8
But which coach looked the most intimidating? Here are the candidates: "Fuck it, I'll take the wind."     (don't worry, the blizzard arrived right after the pic was taken) My Schwartz is bigger than my Schwartz  Crocket and Crocket  "H e l l o. N i c e t o s e e y o u a g a i n."  Gary Moeller  |
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Post by CJ on Jan 5, 2018 7:23:06 GMT -8
Great posts, tas. Could you explain the money laundering comment? |
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Post by BillLaimbeer on Jan 5, 2018 8:54:18 GMT -8
Great posts, tas . Could you explain the money laundering comment? You will have to buy tas' book for those details. I believe it has something to do with Jared Kushner... |
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Post by tas on Jan 5, 2018 15:42:40 GMT -8
Great posts, tas . Could you explain the money laundering comment? Typo. I meant uniform laundering. By the way, with all the unhappiness within the Patriots between Brady and the Coach.... maybe the Lions are about to land Belichick? They should give him an enormous offer to run everything and pay him an obscene amount. |
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Post by thee on Jan 6, 2018 14:04:12 GMT -8
part ownership
like Gruden
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Post by BillLaimbeer on Jan 6, 2018 19:06:36 GMT -8
part ownership like Gruden I don't think Gruden is getting an ownership stake... |
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Post by Darth on Jan 6, 2018 23:09:17 GMT -8
Great posts, tas . Could you explain the money laundering comment? Typo. I meant uniform laundering. By the way, with all the unhappiness within the Patriots between Brady and the Coach.... maybe the Lions are about to land Belichick? They should give him an enormous offer to run everything and pay him an obscene amount. Wishful thinking. I thought about that too. I highly doubt he will be available this year. Maybe next year but that’s too late. So supposedly Belichik was super ticked because Brady was paranoid about Garapolo (sp?), so they the owner made the coach trade him to San Fran.?So now they are left with a 40 yrar old QB. Is Brady really that much of a dickhead? It must have left the coach feel...err...”deflated”. |
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Post by tas on Jan 7, 2018 9:22:16 GMT -8
Brady does sort of sound like a wackjob tbh.
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Post by thee on Jan 7, 2018 10:00:50 GMT -8
QB lifestyle
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